Talk:Summer Festival

On Flowers and Griefing
A sentence describing griefing in the Flower Gathering activity was removed on the grounds that: Whether the griefing is significant enough to include in the wiki page is debatable. The quantity of griefing varies greatly depending on with whom you share your map. However, it is a fact that the activity is designed in a way that players can wait for someone to aggro the kobolds, then run in and loot the flower clusters while that person is still fighting. -- Two30 (talk) 21:53, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) it was inflammatory - which I dispute, but could be subject of debate
 * 2) it couldn't possibly occur as aggro doesn't work the way described - which I dispute, and isn't really subject to debate, since seeing it occur is prima facie evidence that it can occur.
 * I definitely agree on the second point: It obviously and frequently happens. It could just be a matter of terminology since getting on the kobold's "aggro list" isn't may indeed be proximity as Axer128 said, but the issue here is what puts you in "engaged in combat" status which is being at the top of the list or actually engaging a kobold. By avoiding the "engaged in combat" status the person is able to essentially walk right through a kobold to take a flower as long as somebody else has the creatures engaged. As to the first point about it being inflammatory, I think his concern is that the term "griefing" has some specific underlying meanings (some of them actionable via reporting the offending player). If I was going to rewrite that part of the entry to get around these concerns, I would probably phrase it something like  It is possible for one character to harvest a flower node while another battles the kobolds that were standing near it, as long as the harvester carefully avoids entering an "engaged in combat" state. Harvesting while somebody else engages the kobolds in this manner is frequently complained about in the zone chat, and the only viable means to avoid it is to move to a different, lower population instance of the zone.  This provides the information in a fairly language neutral fashion and gives the only functional solution. - Serpinecoh (talk) 07:26, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Since the September 5th update, the devs have changed the mechanics in an attempt to reduce griefing. I suppose this discussion is now moot. -- Two30 (talk) 16:27, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, though their changes did nothing to resolve the situation and theoretically may have made it worse (it certainly hasn't lowered the amount of people yelling about it in zone) - The big difference now is that a person can now gather flowers from a node while being attacked. A lot of people aren't aware of the change, and for a lot of characters doing this will result in an irritating death, so many still end up attacking the kobolds first, at which point the alleged ninja comes in with now *no* chance of kobold based interruption (even if a stray kobold switching to them it won't disrupt their activity). Also purely anecdotally it feels like they have changed how new instances are assigned so instances end up more "full" and its harder to locate one with just a few people (the former only viable tactic for avoiding this). - Serpinecoh (talk) 18:16, 6 September 2013 (UTC)